My mom's name was on the deed of the house at one time but then at some point her name was removed as she was purchasing another house for investment purposes. Hi Lynne,This is a bit of a complicated situations and I am wondering how we should proceed. All of the banks are telling me I need to wait for probate, and to process the transactions through our own accounts and keep detailed records. Opening a bank account if you're not a Canadian citizen. So, my question is -- where do I go from here? My husband is the executor of his fathers account. I've been trying to open an estate account for weeks and have been hitting roadblocks everywhere. Please advise, No, you don't have to wait for probate. Went in to my local branch to start distributing funds to the beneficiaries when to my utter shock was informed the Probate papers had been rejected by the Estate Dept's legal wing due to the inability to read to signatures on the will, thus not allowing me to touch any of the funds. She has no real assets. If you did not obtain the permission of the court to step down, you are still the executor. I'm in Ontario, btw. For the 1st distribution she sent it herself to my brother by courier. I'm assuming all 3 should be signatories?Marsha, Hi Marsha,The account you need is just a regular chequing account. What do I do with these cheques, how do I cash and divide them? He did not leave a will. How long should it take for a bank to open an estate account? Your summary here seems to say that you've really wrapped up everything except for that final tax bill, so there is no reason for you to have two accounts open anymore.As for resistance from the bank, there shouldn't be any. She isn't in the running here. so, this should be easy opening an estate account is just a formality, since all accounts go to me anyways. DO any banks allow online access to an estate account? No spouse. Probate is slow because her state pension came from UK along with a small occupational pension. A couple of months pass until her house was sold and the sale closed a week ago. My father had a joint investment account with my sister with a right of survivorship which held shares and cash which the bank has put into her name to deal with as she sees fit. This risk is eliminated (for the bank) by the probate process. His RRSP beneficiary form completed in 2011 lists my sister and me as his beneficiaries (oversight). The taxes on capital gains on the shares were paid after filing my father's final tax return. To me, there seems little reason to use a lawyer to handle the estate account, as he obviously should be expected to charge fees for this service. Then all of a sudden none of the kids will get the joint accounts any more. You should not have listed anyone but her estate as the beneficiary of that contract. Hello. I would much rather deal with my Bank. How can he sign papers, cheques if he is not physically able to do so? I opened up an estate account when my mother's CPP Death Benefit came in. Per the CRA website a T4RRSP/T4LIF/T4RRIF should be issued showing fair market value on date of deat, and interest earned from DOD until the end of the year. By this I mean a proper account set up, funds properly deposited, interest properly paid to the account, nobody else with access to it, and a full, accurate accounting of every penny. If it's not going to the named beneficiaries, then it has to go to the estate and be taxed. She only gets $60 back because that is what she had deducted every year. The only joint wills I've ever heard of are the kind where there is only one document shared between two people, and those haven't been done for about 50 years in most of Canada. Executor & Estate Bank Accounts. I've heard and seen horror stories from every bank and credit union.Note that I'm not talking about the trust company part of the banks. There is still estate activities going through her bank account and I recently switched her mortgage company. Keep the concept of the executor's year in mind. We have since sold her house and the lawyer is going to have the cheque made out "to the estate of" and would like us to agree on who will receive the cheque to deposit. When a person dies, most or all of their property is held by their estate, and the executor of the estate must manage the estate through the probate process. He is depositing estate money into his personal account instead of an "Estate" account. I paid the expenses (probate fees etc) personally as I was not allowed access to the funds. Thanks so much for your prompt and informative response. The mistake is just as much yours, as a person under a POA instructing them to do something you weren't allowed to do in the first place.I know this probably isn't the answer you wanted, but that's how I see it.Lynne, Hi Lynne. My three sisters and I are the beneficiaries, however my mother had no assets and lived with us. They also commit to resolving complaints within 90 days, which would take the matter to the end of October. My elderly (74) sister has made 2 partial distributions (3 siblings equal parts) and left enough for the CRA in the Estate account (says she has applied for a certificate). Thx. What should I do? I dont mean to me but to the beneficiaries of the monetary gifts. Apparently the estate wing of the bank does not inform the local branch where the papers were scanned if there is a problem. They will continue to do this until a beneficiary sues them. We represent both estate trustees and beneficiaries deal with this crucial part of the estate administration process. I fear they are aware we will be transferring all the money to another bank and that is the hold up. Thanks. The things people will do to their own parents is absolutely appalling. Thanks! As long as the executors are being reasonable and acting in good faith, they are carrying out their duty.Lynne. Without more facts, I don't know for sure that this is what they are getting at, but there should be no bank policy to say an executor must wait 6 months. Thanks! My bank, BMO, charges nothing for an estate account. Make sure you have provided everything they asked for. I know you want it to just be easy but there are procedures built into our system to protect people. Financial institution (Questrade) refuses to do so and claims this is against the law (True?). is there any legislation preventing them from doing so? I don't know who works at the legal departments for banks, but they seem to know absolutely squat about estate paperwork. Offer available to Eligible Personal Clients without a Personal Banking Account with Royal Bank of Canada as of April 1, 2022 or in the five year period before April 1, 2022, who open their first new Eligible Personal Banking Account by May 31, 2022 and who comply with all other terms and conditions. This is because a grant of probate is an order of the court that indemnifies everyone who follows it. Hi Lynne, great blog.My husband recently went to the TD in Guelph Ontario to open an estate account for his mom. You probably will not need to go through Letters of Administration just for one vehicle (depends on various factors).Lynne. After it is all said and done the money will be divided between all 5 of us. It's always a guessing game.The duty on the executors is to examine all options and go with what makes the most sense to them. In law, you have no right to do so because you've been given the cheque as executor, which means it's in trust for the beneficiaries of the estate. That institution is causing me a lot of distress by not allowing me to deposit items or pay small liabilities on her account. The estate or other eligible individuals may be entitled to Canada Pension Plan death benefits. If your mother "had nothing", there should be almost nothing for an executor to do, so acting as executor shouldn't actually be much bother.I find it really frustrating that people will wash their hands of all work and responsibility for their parents except when it comes to getting some money out of it.Lynne. Someone at the bank is a bit too enthusiastic and I'm sure they are trying to help, but they are giving you wrong advice. I attempted to open an estate bank account along with my co-executor and was told I would have to wait until the Court issues the probate letters. It's a lot of money for me when there are no assets. If Empire Life insists on issuing a cheque to the estate, are they at all obliged to reimburse me for the probate fees I will have to pay on the money (300K) because they made a mistake in allowing the account to be set up that way? That's interesting. Getting the will to Probate is going to take a bit of time. In particular, you should not have named yourself because someone working under a POA is not allowed to benefit from the position of POA (other than collecting a wage for the work, if allowed). One bank in which the deceased has an account and who also know my mom from frequently coming to the bank as she was not an online banker are paying the bills as the moment for the house. I would like to reference your site to them. Mum's UK state pension was overpaid by 1 week, having finally received notice of the amount, I now have to reimburse that myself because RBC refuses. Because these accounts are assets of the estate, you will have to get probate to distribute them.Lynne. My dad passed away and has no will, no assets, no liabilities, no bank account. It will be the job of the estate's executor to set up and monitor the account. I know, everyone thinks that this joint account thing works, but they find out differently when the parent passes away. Also, they finally said they will release all the funds via bank draft payable to the estate.? My father passed away. No, I don't think you can deposit it to your personal account or cash it. CIBC are certainly entitled to require my ID as sole trustee. This was done after receiving the Probate Certificate which was scanned into the estate dept. I went into the bank again and asked to see her but she was in a meeting so another representative took my name and number. Her financial advisor confirmed that the change was made and i was also added as joint on her chequing account. I went to deposit them and was told by CIBC that they drained the account and closed it 5 months after death? My husband passed away recently, I am the sole beneficiary and executor of all accounts, TFSA, GIC's. Thanks for your opinions. He had a brother & sister who are now the beneficiaries. To open any bank or investment account, you'll need a taxpayer ID number for the estate, which is itself a taxpayer. You must pay all debts (and it sounds as if you have done so) and taxes, then whatever is left must be divided among the beneficiaries.Lynne. The money belongs in his estate, which has to be used to pay off any debts or taxes he might owe. Be cautious about disbursing funds until you have 100% control of the situation and know for sure what's out there.LynneLynne, Hi LynneMy mom passed away about a year ago, my sister and brother and I were all executors. Score: 4.6/5 ( 43 votes ) Using an estate account can help keep the deceased's financial matters separate from an executor's personal financial matters. There are RSP's that are to be transferred into the estate account to help pay for the funeral. CIBC had no problem setting up an estate account on provision of the will; RBC would not do that without probate. In fact, it's standard. Geography means I cannot do it in person. National Bank Trust is a subsidiary of National Bank of Canada. I am the sole executor and beneficiary of my deceased husband. However, what do you mean by joint wills? She had no idea if I was a TD customer or not. The judge has discretion to deal with the will. You may not need to get probate. I went into the bank to open an estate account so we can deposit money into that account and pay out accordingly but the bank (CIBC) will not let me open the account until probate is done. An estate account is a financial tool used to manage the estate of a decedent. The reason we were fighting is because our understanding is that the Will should trump every other document completed before the Will. The trust now holds $75,000. Does the executor have the right to take the funds to any bank? which the individual transactions. One is in C$ and one in US$ to handle any subsequent legacy dividends from her investments, before I could get them organized, transferred to me, and sold to cash. My question is:What is the best method of paying and having proof that the payment was given to beneficiary? The bank has an account for which there is no online access? Lynne. Do I still need to open up an estate account for tax reasons or other? Their process says I should have received a written agreement that is to be signed and returned to them. Why do I need an estate bank account? Did the TD bank error in allowing this as she was only one of three executors? I have some Estate litigation lawyers names but want to know if I can realistically get her to replace that cheque so I can have my money. I was under the impression from my mother's lawyer who handed me notarial copies of her will that that document gave me the legal right to proceed and get any bank accounts changed from her name individually to "The Estate of.." There is real estate and rental properties involved, with rent payments coming in and on-going expenses to be paid on a monthly basis. You need to complete a simple form with a confusing title: IRS Form SS-4, Application for Employer Identification Number. Can the power of attorney for his will assume control of our mothers estate? I need to set up an estate account for him. Working with banks can be tricky, because they don't offer their employees much training with respect to estates. I just received a cheque refund (a small sum of less $100) issued to her estate. I also used the C$ account to pay out the interim inheritances last year. My question is, do I need to apply for a probate grant before I go to a financial institution to open an estate account? Does the executor pay out of pocket?I would really appreciate your help. I would like to make a full distribution of the estate proceeds without waiting for her 2018 taxes to be filed next year. It clearly names me as the Estate Trustee. What do I need to do to prove that I am the only beneficiary?thanks. He had a will.. Perhaps you think it's ridiculous, but banks and most other people think it's a good idea not to let a deceased person's family treat the bank account as his or her own. Hi Linda,The cheque should be written to you as executor, as the lawyer has suggested. The bank ended up selling the investments March 26, 27 and April 7 which ended in a $90 000 loss. Lynne. Paying out of pocket should be the last resort. 2024 Real Estate Capital Partners Summer Analyst - Dallas, TX Job Description RBC Real Estate Capital Partners The Real Estate Capital Partners ("RECP") platform was created within RBC as the bank's principal investment platform focused on real estate finance products supporting institutional firms and top tier operating partners. On the schedules there are categories. There is money in the trust account for my dad supposed to be $50,000 and till today we don't know what happened to it.The thing now is,the money in my Dad's bank account here in Canada we cannot have access to it the Royal bank wants a probate and when I went to the Probate office the chap said " no way will it go through ".So what, does the banks in Canada have the rights to our parents money ?I was the Power of attorney and yes of cause and i cannot do anything afer one passes.Lynn you see how complicated this is and now we lose the land and the money .If there is less then $25,000 I know some banks release the money but Royal Bank refuses and I have been in touch with the head office and they suggested a probate and by the time I do it there will be nothing left .Please can you help me ?Thanks, Roberta, Roberta, yes I can help you, but not on a blog post. Lynne. My uncle passed away and put my cousin and I as executor's. Once everything is in order - do the beneficiaries receive there funds retroactively from date of loved ones death? What is the harm of just dividing the money between the two of us and paying the last few estate bills from our own accounts? Just recently she sent everyone $50,000.00 cheques, from her bank account, so we could get some of the proceeds now rather waiting the 4 years.An Executor depositing Estate money into there own personal account just doesn't seem right! Should I be opening up an estate account in the deceased name? When will the bank require some action on the account? I seem to have a combined bank estate/tax problem. Or, if the primary account holder of your joint bank account has recently passed away, we can assist you in determining your entitlement, if any, to the account assets. 8. The manager has told me that if she isn't available one of the other manager can help.Well, today is that day. I have paid some substantial expenses out of my own pocket and now require pay back fairly quickly as my own bills are due. Any credit card debt or personal loan debt will be paid from the deceased's bank accounts before the account administrator takes control of any assets. There will be no other transactions. The bank will probably insist on having both signatures if the account is set up to require both signatures. Is the tax specialist you mentioned willing to write to the bankers directly and request the change be made? I need to know the balance, and I can't get it. The Momentum PLUS Savings Account is Scotiabank's high-interest savings account and offers a base rate of 1.60%. Lynne. I am executor of the will. Their concern is allowing money to be paid to someone, then finding out later there were other beneficiaries that should have been included. I'm frustrated just reading your note; I can just imagine how frustrated you must be. Still to this day I have not heard anything. The probate was finished March 9 and that same day I gave the probate papers to the bank. Can I simply deposit the cheque to her bank account and withdraw it? We spoke with a tax specialist for the bank on the phone, and he said if the branch would update her accounts to show 'estate of' in the titles of the accounts he could reissue the slips to show the required information - however the branch is refusing stating probate requirement. In particular, the bit about being listed as executor per CRA. That really is an awful story. The duty of the executors is to maximize the estate as best they can. I was told by a local lawyer that if there were no assets that there would be no point spending approximately $3500.00 dollars to become an administrator. I have all the receipts and this will be documented in the final accounting but I realize this may not entirely be legal. I know this is an old topic, but I have a question. I hope other parents read your story because it shows just how careful you have to be when appointing your own kids. If they still won't comply, you will probably have to hire a lawyer to write a letter to them for you.Lynne. Because the cheque is written to your father's estate, it wasn't a part of the joint bank account and won't pass automatically to your mother.The bank's interest is, of course, to minimize its own risk in releasing this money to your mother. But the bank refuse to do this. What if there was a mortgage on the property (there isn't). I don;t know what is happening in this particular estate that might make the executor think that. I don't want to probate because our wills were joint as was everything in our lives. Sometimes the bank will know about these, but sometimes you have to review old statements to figure it out. No. I know taxes will need to be paid next year. So i'm very confused. The financial obligations of an estate do not "come to" an executor personally. Sotheby's International Realty Canada cautions that MLS market data can be useful in establishing trends over time but does not indicate actual prices in widely divergent neighborhoods or account for price differentials within local markets. I'm frustrated that I can't create a single account in the estate's name to deal with everything. My mother learned the hard way that her money was not as 'safe' in the banks as she thought. Hope this not too confusing. Do I still need an estate bank account?Thank you,Tammy, I doubt you would need one, simply because there won't be anything to put in there, or anything needing to be paid out of there. I also wanted to be sure her remaining bills were paid (less than 1K).In July I received a notice from one company that the account had been sent to a collection agency. You are the executor and you need to get control of this situation. Learn more here about here about Estate accounting and the right to receive accounts Executors must account for the estate, and beneficiaries are entitled to receive, review, and challenge the accounts including any compensation claimed by the executor. Banks drive me nuts, for exactly the kind of thing you've just described.Lynne. Thank you. Hoping you can answer my question. It's not because it's an investment account, but because of the value.Lynne. He banked with Scotiabank, and they are telling me that they will not transfer money from his accounts into an estate account with another financial institution. can i process the estate cheque through the joint account? My experience has been that they do not allow online access in other banks either.Lynne. Sat-Sun 8 a.m.-8 p.m. ); Your joint executors might have a strained or non-existent . Stop letting them tell you things they have no right to decide. Is it not sufficient I show it to them?Thanks, I don't know what the HELL is going on with banks these days. That's why they're dragging their feet. Before closing an account, it is important to check to see if there are any automatic payments from or to the account. His house is worth 500k. Thanks. You don't have to wait for anything but the cheque to clear. Thank you. One is to pay for the funeral up front and reimburse yourselves after the house sells. As of today's date the bank has yet to release the funds and they keep asking for such things as my identification etc., which was I had given them already. Will taxes apply to your estate in Canada? In the next breath the employee told the other executor, the old account is now yours and you can take the Money and run. I am sole trustee on an estate, appointed by Superiour Court (Ontario). An estate account makes it easy for the executor to endorse and deposit these payments. There are only two options. This bit about the banks not allowing executors to open an estate account until probate has been granted is relatively new, and only works for the bank. Subject Matter Expert/Leader in Portfolio . My sister and I are co-executors of our fathers will. Is this really the case? We are currently dealing with RBC. Is this an honour system, or does the bank verify estate accounts by looking at the will? If not, you might try escalating your request up through the bank's channels until you find someone willing to actually make the simple change. Unfortunately there is no law I can draw on to give you permission to by-pass the legal requirements of estate administration.Lynne. No, the executor cannot make gifts that were not mentioned in the will. Your authority comes from the will, not the probate.Lynne. Your authority to open the account arises from the will. slips. Appreciate your comments, Ed, Ed, your note rings alarm bells for me. My question is how to put this money back into the estate without raising the concerns of the Ministry of Finance. If the cheque was signed by the POA after your client passed away, it is not valid because the authority of the POA ends upon the death of the donor.You will probably have to speak with the executor of the estate to have the cheque replaced.Lynne. I was hoping to close it out so there will be final closure to his estate ( there is not much to it ). Hello Lynne.I am the executor of my fathers estate. An alternative might be to purchase bank drafts rather than cheques. Our lawyer said there was no need to probate as the will clearly spells out who the beneficiary is and there is only the savings account which would be used to pay expenses and the rest to the beneficiary. I have just received her CPP funeral benefits paid to the estate as we were unaware her will had not been signed correctly until after the funeral. If they won't let you do it your way (which happens to be the correct way) then take all the funds out and put them in a different bank.Lynne. If the executor is the beneficiary can they then use the estate funds for personal since all financial obligations will come to them anyway? He had all the necessary documents but I guess in their mind the estate was not worth their time. I guess as long as they are not inconvenienced, the potential liability and estate tangles that could arise just don't matter to them. Can my mother continue to live in the house or does she have to move? However this has affected how the tax slips have been filled in. There is no property, only accounts/investments. I certainly know plenty of executors who have online access to their estate accounts. Scotiabank's Getting There Savings Program for Youth is one of the best youth accounts in the country. 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