I've never felt scared or disrespected. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. But I just - just took a course that was - seemed cool to me at the time. He's also co-host of the podcast "Ear Hustle," which is why we had him on this program. And as time went on, as years went on, I stuck to my guns. Earlonne, I want to ask you about the final podcast you recorded in San Quentin, which was largely about your older brother, Trevor, and your nephew, Tyler. GROSS: Well, why don't we take a short break here, and then we'll talk some more? Earlonne was both co-host and inmate. Woods was unaware his two convictions as a juvenile counted as two 'strikes', which made his conviction at 25 count as his third under California's three strikes law. Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. POOR: I walked him to the gate; you know, wished him good luck. Woods learned of his commutation the day before Thanksgiving. They said that, hey, when you went to jail when you were 17 - yeah, it was one time, but there was two convictions in that case. So sometimes it's important, and I can give you an example. This is what we work for because there comes a moment in every person in prison's life where the light switch go on. He and Nigel are also the authors of This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book that was inspired by the podcast and released by Crown/Random House. GROSS: And that was because - you got such a long sentence because one crime had you convicted on two counts, so that counted as two strikes. They're the co-hosts and co-producers of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin about their daily lives and their personal stories. But you may have the African-Americans who go to prison and they're at certain places and you don't get that question. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. What's it like to not think about that? I love it. And Jerry Brown was then the governor of California. So you recorded interviews with Trevor and Tyra talking about how difficult it is to maintain a relationship with your child when you're incarcerated and how difficult it is to help them stay out of trouble. Jerry Brown commuted his sentence for attempted armed robbery. So I think as far as African-American culture in prison, I don't think nobody really cares why you're in prison. He commuted my sentence to be released forthwith, immediately, right now, its time to go, time to walk out that gate, he added, laughing. Content Creator @CoinAcademy; Pres. We'll be right back. So they don't even have the opportunity to even go in front of the board to say, hey, look, for the last 21 years, I've changed, you know, because their board dates ain't till 2150, you know? For the first few months after Earlonne Woods was released from San Quentin in November, his "Ear Hustle" podcast co-host Nigel Poor kept receiving photos of ice cream on her phone. E WOODS: But I wouldn't have it no other way. It addresses important issues about being human and how prisoners can be contributing citizens. Earlonne still co-hosts the show alongside Nigel. And as they questioned the driver, the passenger officer seen tattoos and Tyler's face and started questioning him, made him get out the car. Trevor has done 14 years of a 36-year sentence. So I'm going to enjoy. Like, I take you as the man you are in front of me. He went up there. It's something. One is that you're going to get killed, and the other is that you'll eventually go to jail. And you really get a better understanding of your impact that you've personally had on people in society. In some ways, like, I find it hard to understand that somebody, like, wouldn't have any empathy for the victim and wouldn't care. Therese Madden directed today's show. WOODS: That's something that a lot of us behind bars fantasize about - getting out and leading a normal life. 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And then Trevor was arrested when their son, Tyler, was 10. E WOODS: He got a hell of a collection of vinyl. And the thing that I noticed in particular about him was that whenever there was an issue going on - and, of course, inside prison, there's all kinds of issues - and if we would have to sit down to solve a problem, Earlonne was the one who would speak up, cut through all of the baloney and get to the point. They had left the auntie's house. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). OK. And I was paroled when I was 23, about to turn 24. E WOODS: I, personally, would like to eradicate California's three strikes law because I think that there's a lot of people that's sentenced under this law, which everybody thinks is 25 to life. And the assumption is that what you did at that moment is what you are today even though it's five years, 10 years, 20, 30 years later. So prison was more like, oh, hey, this is a place to go and continue your gang activity, continue your destructive behavior. Earlonne Woods, Nigel Poor, welcome to FRESH AIR. Earlonne, congratulations on life outside of prison. The prison also went on lockdown during production, halting work and requiring additional administrative steps to both create and release the audio. "[9] The show's unique lens and intimate first-person storytelling is noted in most reviews. Accuracy and availability may vary. Jerry Brown (D) has commuted the prison sentence of Earlonne Woods, whose hit podcast Ear Hustle explores life inside San Quentin State Prison. Is he a good co-host? So even though I'm hearing stuff and then I'm talking to him, he playing - he downplaying it. But that was a case that challenged my desire to not know and to - how to deal with the knowing once it's been presented to you. But you look back, and you're looking at it like, I've wasted, like - I can say right now, I'm 47 years old. And they won't get that opportunity to present the person that they are today. T WOODS: You know, he was ripping and running with the gangs. , after serving 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. How do you deal with family, love, depression, having children, finding meaning in life? He and Nigel are also the authors of This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book that was inspired by the podcast and released by Crown/Random House. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. He is now 47. Is that OK? And I'm playing this because it's about knowing where the line is when you're interviewing prisoners and sometimes to have to ask something that's going to make them uncomfortable. The victims of a crime are faceless. A person can get certain - a certain amount of time for the crime that they commit. And I - I observed Earlonne a lot. And you've said in the past that he was always the quietest person in the room, but you could tell he was a good observer. I'm Terry Gross. He is a staff writer and podcast producer at KQED, as well as a graduate of UC Berkeley's School of Journalism. His sentence was commuted by Governor Jerry Brown in November. So it be at prison, I'm going to enjoy my day every day because at the end of the day, this is all I got, you know? Earlier this year, we introduced you to a man named Earlonne Woods who got some big news yesterday. You were OK with that? GROSS: The new, as yet, unannounced host will be with you (laughter). GROSS: If you're just joining us, my guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-creators of the podcast Ear Hustle. Nigel first went to San Quentin as a volunteer teaching photography. And this time, they had something for me, which was the three-strike law. Earlonne became preoccupied with reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who had previously been incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. Should we recognize the change, or once you did the act, that's who you are - your essence, your identity - and never to be considered? And my mindset, regardless of where I'm at, I'm going to live to the best of my ability. But I'd say a lot of people, particularly in law enforcement, want to look at the crime only, and that's really the big debate. Earlonne Woods is co-creator, co-producer and co-host of Ear Hustle from Radiotopia. And then when I got out, I hadn't put any skill sets together, you know? This is FRESH AIR. An intimate view into the life and challenges of an asperger's spouse.It seems some marriages are so wonderfully stellar you have to look away or be blinded. I felt like in Earlonne I found a true professional colleague. And my whole thinking, like, changed in that moment. Like, what - why were we on this path, you know? [9][7] Ear Hustle was the first podcast entirely recorded and produced inside a prison. GROSS: That was Governor Jerry Brown interviewed by my guests Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor. When Earlonne was incarcerated in San Quentin, he and Nigel Poor started the podcast Ear Hustle. Her latest novel "The Friend" won the National Book Award for fiction and is about to be published in paperback. I'll say I've - on the second term - so the first term is where I did all the solitary stuff. And we just had such great conversations. And then the question is, well, what do we do about that? Not at all. So now we can actually do that and even POOR: Hopefully go to other countries, too. Hae-soo married his non-celebrity bride on January 14, 2019, according to sources. [3] According to The Economist, by this time Woods was one of the most famous incarcerated people in the US. He likes to keep his personal life private hence Earlonne has not mentioned any details concerning his marital status. POOR: You can't blend into what the guys inside wear. Poor's teaching work led her to a vast archive filled with photographs taken from life inside the prison that she began using in . Also with us is Nigel Poor. He says, I need to speak with you. I'd rather deal with anyone, actually, as they are in front of me at that moment. They're waiting to get inside a club, and somebody from way across the street just shoot into the crowd, hit him in the heart, right? It looked so good on you. And then, I always say that, you know, a lot of people that volunteer - people like Nigel Poor, people like other volunteers that volunteer inside of prisons - are on the frontline of public safety because these are the people that's coming in and is trying to show you a different way of life or trying to help you understand differently, think differently. And it was one of them, I guess could you say, moments where you just feel embarrassed about your previous conduct. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California Three Strikes Law, the statute under . [5] Woods role on the podcast was well-received, with Sarah Larson from The New Yorker describing him as an "immediately warm and likable presence",[10] while Eddie Harana from Rolling Stone praised the sense of humor he brought to the show. And I keep thinking, like, a week from now, Earlonne and I could be having dinner outside the prison together (laughter). GROSS: Nigel, when you first started volunteering in San Quentin, what were some of the things you had to deal with as a woman teaching in a prison of men? Those are my partners. And it's all that some of the people that you choose to associate with do, you know? POOR: It is a different world over there. Earlonne became preoccupied with reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who had previously been incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. Tyra got arrested first for kidnap and robbery, and she was sentenced to 17 years. Woods is expected to be released on parole in the coming days, after serving 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. [5], Prior to Ear Hustle, Poor ran a photography class at the prison during which one of her students proposed making a documentary. I'd rather not know. So I gave him, you know, a handshake with as much emotion as I could muster POOR: Appropriately. And, Nigel and Earlonne, I want to wish you good luck with the retooled version of Ear Hustle now that Earlonne is out. Eventually, the marriage fell apart. But we knew that, you know, it's traditional for the governor to do these commutations right before Thanksgiving. Nigel first started going to San Quentin as a volunteer teaching photography. Mentally, it do, you know? TREVOR WOODS: You know, so Tyler was out there trying to grow up on his own, trying to be something that he didn't know nothing about. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College and completed many vocational trade programs. It's like - I think they're not under the constraints or the pressures to not accept people. Not one bit, you know? Jerry Brown (D) has commuted the prison sentence of Earlonne Woods, whose hit podcast Ear Hustle explores life inside San Quentin State Prison. Therefore, Earlonne earns a decent salary as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. SHAPIRO: When you said goodbye to him, were you crying? He's able to call me collect. So you can't wear blue, which is what they wear. He and Nigel also co-wrote This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book inspired by the podcast and published by Crown/Random House. Ear Hustle is a non-fiction podcast about prison life and life after incarceration created by Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams, both formerly incarcerated, and Nigel Poor, an artist who volunteers at San Quentin State Prison. Since the podcasts launch in 2017, its been downloaded, announcing the commutation, the governor echoed that thought, saying Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime.. I pretty much raised Tyler from '95 to '97, when I got arrested. It was - and it's not just her. It destroys hope, and it violates the principle that redemption is at the essence of what it is to be human. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. Or would you just as soon not know and just judge them based on what they present to you in their interactions with you? Woods said he was only trying to be helpful, but was arrested by local sheriffs who did not question why he had lifted the gate; Woods subsequently had to appear in juvenile court. So, Nigel, when you decided you wanted to start, like, a interview series that started on KALW - the public - one of the public radio stations in San Francisco, and then it became a podcast - you wanted a co-host and co-producer who was incarcerated in San Quentin. You know, prison, I'm going to live to the best of my ability. And you've had two separate stays, and the last one lasted 21 years. SHAPIRO: Well, yesterday, California Governor Jerry Brown commuted Earlonne Woods' sentence. Once the details concerning Earlonne's marital status are available we shall update. After you got out of San Quentin, you and Nigel went to the governor's mansion. Woods was involved in an attempted robbery in 1997, when he was in his 20s. With grace and humor they walk through what life is really like behind bars, showing the humanity and depth of those they meet inside." --Catherine Burns, artistic director, The Moth "I listen to Ear . Elevated Entertainment LLC; Host: Hard in the Paint w/Aaron Showtime Taylor. Don't be - whatever you do, don't play with no guns. SHAPIRO: Nigel Poor told us that when Earlonne Woods came back POOR: He was walking with a lot of air in his step. E WOODS: And she even got mad at me the other day E WOODS: 'Cause I left dinner with everyone, and I went to the movies by myself to go see "Vice" (laughter). And I think it would help demystify a lot of the assumptions that people have about who's in prison and who should be there. And so (laughter) it was just incredible. Oh, daddy, I'm not playing with no guns. Does that mean we're self-absorbed? Jerry Brown. [16], Alfred I. duPontColumbia University Award, "Immigrants facing deportation, drug offenders and a former state lawmaker receive pardons from Gov. GROSS: That Tyler was killed while they were in prison. It instead offers the even more illuminating dialogue of individual prisoners. Author, Project Leader of CHOOSE1 Opinions are my own linktr.ee/Earlonnewoods Posts Reels Videos Tagged Show More Posts from earlonnewoods I'm on a podcast. I go over to Nigel's house, hang out with her husband Rick. They surrounded Tyler around a - at a apartment building, where he was trying to climb up to the roof. I had to really work through it and think about it. And he said Tyler got killed by the police. I told him that constantly. I was a clerk. E WOODS: Hey - so I always go over to the L - I call them L7s. But apparently it's fine - like, if you fall in love, the prisoner and the volunteer fall in love, that's fine as long as the volunteer or the staff person is no longer going to be working there in any capacity. So I'm trying to like - I'm trying to partner with you here. Why am I doing this? It was a private wedding ceremony, according to accounts. I actually oddly enjoy being in there. Why didn't you invite me (laughter)? In terms of his romantic life, Park is happily married to his wife in South Korea. And I have a lot of friends that's in prison that has 200 years, 300 years to life for maybe attempted second-degree robbery. And when I went in the second time, my friend Furman Little (ph) was killed the night we were arrested. GROSS: And - so you interviewed him about commuting your sentence. Earlonne Woods is an American podcaster and author, best known for co-hosting and co-founding the podcast Ear Hustle in 2017, and co-authoring the book This Is Ear Hustle in 2021. Tyler was sent to live with extended family. Therefore, it is not known if Earlonne is single, dating, or married. Redmond O'Neal is the son of American actor Ryan O'Neal and Farah Fawcett (an America. Earlonne continues to co-host the show with Nigel. The two established a rapport,[6] and Poor proposed the idea of creating a podcast to Woods, who had previously not known what a podcast was. And so being in prison has just really altered that. And Trevor, your brother, speaks first. And the phone rang in the media lab. Along with Nigel Poor, he is a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. But if we could just talk about it and come to some understanding about what's our responsibility, what's your responsibility? He is a podcast host correspondent. I find it invigorating. Earlonne is Shala Woods brother. Redmond O'Neal is a voice actor, Hollywood celebrity, and Star Kid from the United States. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. POOR: So we were in the media lab working and - you know, trying to work, trying to stay concentrated. And y'all having these intimate conversations about, you know, why you went down this path or what it was like being a survivor, what it was like being this. They grow up literally., In Browns letter announcing the commutation, the governor echoed that thought, saying Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime., He has set a positive example, Brown wrote. And so I found out what you're in prison for. So right now there would be a problem with me going back to see him because I'm currently on parole. I think it's about probably 20 people from there that call me collect. And I'm always interested in people who kind of fade into the background a little bit because I suspect they could be the most interesting people in the room. And so to me, that meant he was a very good observer. co-hosted by Woods and Nigel Poor, an artist and volunteer at San Quentin interviews men in the prison about their lives there. And, like a lot of inmates, he's been thinking about this moment for a long time. POOR: Earlonne described himself, and I described myself. This is FRESH AIR. Ear Hustle was the first podcast to be created entirely inside a prison. Now Earlonne will be doing interviews with people like him who are transitioning back into society. Poor, a professor of photography at CSU Sacramento, was volunteering with the Prison University Project at San Quentin State Prison when she met Woods, who was serving a 31-year-to-life sentence. We know because they did a whole episode on getting parole. When he was 15, he committed his first robbery alongside his brother, who had transitioned from selling drugs to robbing drug dealers. GROSS: And, Earlonne, I look forward to your interviews with people who, like you, are transitioning back into society from prison. It's - it's - I think being in a position to step away from it all and look back and say, man, I was on something else. ERIN: I don't - I don't know. E WOODS: Well, me growing up the way I grew up, I grew up in a lifestyle where I was young when I got into selling drugs, and I was - I was real young. WOODSON: I used to work for the captain at CIW in the program office. [9], In a Rolling Stone article about the show, Tana Ganeva called it "a fascinating, harrowing and also deeply entertaining look into life on the inside that runs the full gamut of emotions. POOR: And it's going to be a little bit hard. So in that case, I didn't dig in. So now we just have the opportunity to travel together, to do something like this together. [5] He served his last seven years at San Quentin. He works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. The two bonded over a love of storytelling and with no formal experience, began a podcast together where they showcase the . And I was - yeah, I was definitely nervous. And her son had attended a party. (SOUNDBITE OF ETIENNE CHARLES' "MIDNIGHT"). I don't know if it's a lake. Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. And I spend a lot of time in there. Let's get back to my interview with Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the creators and hosts of the podcast Ear Hustle, featuring interviews with prisoners in San Quentin about their lives and what it's like to be incarcerated. And the officer came back, was like, you're too tall for that name. 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